snyder would veto that right to work. i'm interested in your thoughts about the movement that we seem to be seeing about more and more right to work states. to me, michigan is emblematic of all of them because it's the home of the auto industry where the unions have been so powerful and it's interesting to me in the sense that the state went for obama, but that the voters actually wanted what happened here. >> yeah, that's right. and remember, just as context that there was a measure on the ballot that the big labor bosses were pushing that would have enshrined collective bargaining rights into the state constitution. and it was rejected 57% to 42%. i think that there is certainly -- there is divided government and divided opinion in this country and there is a divided of power to conservatives where beltway republicans fail to do their job, at the national level, more and more we're seeing that grassroots, free market principles are winning at the state and local level. that is cause for hope for sure. >> brian: michelle